SHAME ON YOU if you clicked this link hoping for conflict! Internet clickbait is a real problem.
Obviously, the wisdom-oriented cognitive scientist John Vervaeke & the neuro-anthropologist (my old job) Iain McGilchrist are going to largely agree. This video is actually more like having stereoscopic vision than witnessing a battle. If you don't have a lot of time, check out their mutual overviews of how they understand the "meaning crisis" (5:46 to 15:12) and then their deep concurrence around the need for sangha, community and shared sensemaking (1:59:10).
However, I do get that you -- at least some of you -- might want a little more aggression in your Emerge feed.
Bonnitta Roy is always claiming that we're all a little bit too prosocial. And listening to these wise gentlemen frame the meaning crisis (ie. exaggerated over-reliance on left brain propositional knowledge at the expense of a more participatory, relational and neurologically balanced mode of wise consciousness, people are not attuning to those things which they would want to have exist even beyond their own deaths).
I can't help but think of that hilariously aggressive post-postmodern theorist F. Nietzsche. That mystical alpine philosopher ventures into places that Vervaeke and McGilchrist do not explore here. What if the highest ideals and values are devaluing themselves
? What if we are being too thoughtful? What if we aren't warlike enough to play our role in cultivating a new civilization? Are we not taking enough risk? Are we not being vital enough?
That's worth a moment of pondering.
And Kudos to scientifically-informed Toronto podcaster Curt Jaimungal for putting these two in a virtual room together around these topics. Curt's arranging a number of high-grade multi-conversations with provocative thinkers lately.
*This interview pairs nicely with Vervaeke's recent appearance on Lex Fridman. Check out this snippet
concerning focus and flow states. enough